What’s up with the moral high ground Redditors on here?
Obviously a crazy time for this sub
But why???
This whole sub has been about her lying and scamming making threats about people’s family dying and getting attacked. Along with brotherchu being a pedo. Now something absolutely crazy that nobody thought would happen happens and half the sub is acting as if they’ve never said anything bad about her as if this whole sub isn’t revolved around again her lying scamming and being a pedo along with her brother. I’m just not understanding how now something that she wished happened to each and everyone of you happened to her and now everyone is trying to act like they didn’t involve themselves in this sub to meme her make fun of her and call out the blatant lies and disrespect that’s being going on since they’ve become homeless. I’m not trying to argue with anyone and I won’t be doing that but this moral high ground of saying it’s people in this subs fault and that if you don’t completely feel bad for them it’s because your evil? I truly just don’t understand.
Mamachu RIP
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exactly
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nobody is laughing
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People have been laughing. I’ve seen people literally joking about it saying she deserved it. That’s what makes me mad.
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So many comments and posts are getting deleted saying she deserved it. Too many people are laughing. Jazmine made a post on Tiktok LAUGHING at the situation.
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Who tf is Jazmine 😭😭
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criticizing someone’s actions ≠ wishing harm on them & their family buddy
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they just can’t seem to understand this lmao. we can bash tophia for being lazy all day but that doesn’t mean we think her or her family deserve any of this like wtf is not clicking
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Yeah I don't know why they're acting as if a life wasn't lost...
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I'm probably gonna get hate, but I'm happy Marie (reportedly) is in hospital. She can finally get treatment for all her issues, including that nasty cough. I've been worried for her since I heard she was on the streets. Worried about hanta, measles, you name it. That woman is sick sick and needs care.
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How the medical system works they won’t help her with that they will make sure she’s alive. Dump a bill (maybe not because it was senseless violence) but I doubt they will help her with all the other things going on with her.
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I'm sorry if that's how you've been treated but that's not how it works. One listen to her lungs and they have to ensure she's getting enough oxygen. Her stats won't lie. Her rales don't lie. You have to do something in a hospital setting if presenting with difficulty breathing. Now, further workup in an outpatient setting, yes that's something that will unlikely happen given their situation.
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i’m not really familiar with how us healthcare works, so i’ve been wondering if they’ll get charged for ANY treatment? (sorry if it’s a dumb question but i’ve heard some people go into hospitals with urgent issues and come out with crazy bills)
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It depends. But usually there are funds for senseless crime victims like this.
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Most large hospitals have a medical social worker who can help her apply for Medicaid.
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critiquing people’s wrongdoings does not equal wishing a horrific and traumatic DEATH on anyone! where is your logic?
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People truly don’t have nuance, what do they expect the sub to do?? Laugh at her for going through this?? Like what
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Again I never wished this on her or anyone I’m just saying … look at the last month or so of this sub and you will see things like this.
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I just think it’s funny that this is exactly what tophia does
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this sub is about them being dumb pos, never have i seen anyone here wish them to be murdered
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Mamachu didn’t die or that isn’t confirmed she is probably the one that is injured it is more likely that brotherchu is dead.
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Nothing is confirmed. Besides the car being stolen and them being shot.
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It's confirmed that one victim and one suspect were killed in the shooting, though.
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It’s CONFIRMED two people died.
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A new post in this sub a minute ago just said she was stable. Nothing is confirmed
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mind you, she wished death on other people's family members.
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Yup!
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Because no one deserves what just happened to her.. even if people disliked her it doesn’t mean they would wish this upon her
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Im not saying she deserves it what im saying is that she recently said things like this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tophiachutiktok/s/JogKO4grVU-
Yeah, five months ago, far removed from what just happened
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The person who originally commented that was literally making fun of her. Yes Tophia stooped low but does that mean she deserves her family members to get murdered?? What the hell
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I better not see any of you give her money. She's going to milk this situation until she finds another excuse to scam everyone. Hopefully this is Tophia's wake up call to change for the better but seeing her track record and people on tiktok and reddit being airheads, I fucking doubt it.
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No, I don't think anybody should be giving her money. She has shown her track record is trash with finances. I think if she makes a GoFundMe or people start donating she's going to see all that money rolling in and have nothing but dollar signs in her eyes and have it all spent before they even get a chance to be put in the ground. I agree with you 1000000%
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Hot take: you can recognize that someone is a bad person and poke fun at them for it and also have compassion for a fellow human being who just experienced something incredibly tragic. Tophia has said and done some stupid and awful things, but she is also very clearly someone with limited intelligence and life skills who was raised by incompetent, unstable parents. She is both responsible for her adult life and a victim of her circumstances. Nothing about this is black and white. If you can’t find it within yourself to recognize the humanity here it’s probably time to log off.
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Again I don’t have compassion for people who have involved themselves in pedo activity
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Looking at teen porn doesn’t mean you deserve to have your entire family shot in front of you actually. Tophia is a socially stunted creep but she hasn’t actually hurt any children. Be so so serious right now.
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What about messaging a teen saying ur 15 ?
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This is what irks me-why do people suddenly have this selective amnesia about what Donald has done and what he is? And I cannot mention this enough.. Tophia didn't deserve to see this neither did Marie... but I cannot find any sympathy after what Donald has said and done.. sorry downvote me into oblivion idc
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My point exactly
If you went out into public and asked anyone about PEDOS they would agree that only the worse should happen to them. Now that they see it happen it changes? I don’t get it and yeah it’s Reddit I could careless about young people saying I’m a POS online-
Mhmm, and I can not stand that people are saying "rest in peace" for a pedo.. the only life after death I can hope a predator faces is eternal fire :/
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Brotherchu is the one who did that. I’m talking about Tophia.
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Watching anything labeled as teen has a fetish for teens and younger looking people that are legal but appear not to be of legal age.
Let’s say the roles reverse I and I tell tophia to dig up her dead brother? Would that be acceptable no! So when she says that to others and it happens to her I won’t feel bad about it 🤷♂️
The people she has said that too could and probably do have dead family members. That she sat and laughed about-
As I said, she’s a creep, but she hasn’t actually hurt any kids. She’s done plenty of shitty things, but she is also a victim. Doing and saying stupid things doesn’t make you unworthy of compassion when your entire family is shot in front of you. Jesus Christ.
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The average man looks at that lmfao. Like the other user said it's super common. You dont need to be chronically online to know that. It's basic facts if you actually care about creepy porn instead of using it as an excuse to harass an autistic woman
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i agree that he fucked up bad, but donald is most likely dead. he had the worst outcome out of this situation by losing his life.
the only family member able to look through these posts now is tophia, and she’s in the worst mental state she’s probably ever been in. let’s give her some time to cope first instead of dragging her dead relative. it’ll only make her feel worse
this is coming from someone who also absolutely hates pedophiles, especially those who made a move on children.
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Im not going to because again she would laugh at people’s dead family and now I post something that just simply calls out the situation it’s not cool.
I don’t believe in a time and a place people need to be called out on BS-
do what you will honestly 🤷♀️ we’re all just sharing perspectives
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Time & place bruh.
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This is the person y’all feeling sorry for https://www.reddit.com/r/tophiachutiktok/s/o81AMkO5S5
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Yeah I don't feel sorry for her.
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No one here wished her death. We critiqued her opinions and actions and thats it. We can empathize since we are human beings with feelings.
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For real. People are so obnoxious. As if we aren’t all in this sub. Just as bad as the rest of us here. “Yall wished bad on her look how awful it is and what you did”. Nah homie. Everybody wishing that Angie would yell in her face in person or that she doesn’t get another motel after what she did to squid is not the same at all as wishing this sort of tragedy on people.
Yall wanna play saint but look where you’re posting. Tophia didn’t deserve to lose basically her entire family in one day to such a senseless scary act of violence. But most of everybody here has always wished karma would play out in a way that she turns her life around SAFELY. We all hoped she’d be poor enough to be forced to get a job. We hoped she’d be wise enough to change her content into something she COULD monetize to get into a safe situation. We hoped that she’d see the error of her ways and adapt so that she could find herself out of the streets BEFORE this happened. To take that and twist it into “you wished this upon her” is so gross and egregious. It doesn’t absolve you of also being in a snark 🤷🏻♀️
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Thank you. I get my post can come off as insensitive to some and maybe it is. But dude this whole sub for a while has been her wishing death on ur mom and his mom and my mom and ur moms mom and everyone’s family. And now that half the sub doesn’t feel bad we’re now the bad ones?
Does it sick it happened YES! Did we try to tell her bad stuff could happen if they didn’t change their ways YES. She would laugh at us for saying they needed to do something different. Nobody including me is laughing now. But damn dude why are we acting like this isn’t karma for what’s she’s been saying -
i'm generalizing when i say people were praying for her downfall, but people did expect things to go further south for her and some people were alluding to the passing of mamachu and theorizing when tophia said she was in the hospital.
how worse can anyones situation get from homelessness? some people were just making light of what COULD happen to the Chus in the summer, even joking about them living in a tent. make no mistake, i'm not saying anyone deserved to die or that it's wrong to suddenly have empathy, but its not like this sub was exactly known for being empathetic to her or her situation in the first place. this is a tragedy and it is extremely unfortunate, its not the outcome i personally expected. it's a ridiculous amount of finger pointing. honestly it's a snark sub and not many people wished her well. and my problem honestly has nothing to do with people feeling empathy for her, it's the moral high ground like OP and you mentioned. taking lessons on empathy from active members of a snark sub is a little ironic.
she's BEEN at rock bottom, this is like rock bottom's basement.
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Totally agree with you & the others you responded to. 💯
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Exactly, I think its crazy people are saying "At least have sympathy for him, he's still a human" he's a pedophile who was preying on a 13 and 18yo?????? Did we all forget that he had "no party like a Pdiddy party" on the back of his fucking car?????? And tophia didn't make him take accountability Whatsoever?????? I understand to be empathetic over tophia losing a family member, that's a no brainer for ANYBODY, but to give my prayers and respects to someone like Donald?? Hell to the no. If I'm going to hell for that then so be it. I cannot stand seeing the hypocrites in this subreddit. Thoughts and prayers to Marie.
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Being pieces of shit doesn't mean these people deserve any of this. They are human beings.
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So being a PEDO is okay ? Are we okay with that ? Like come on now
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fr 😭🤚 NO ONE SAID THAT
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100% being said without it being said
Everyone’s saying we should have sympathy for someone who’s a pedo 😂
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No obviously not but they are human beings who don't deserve to go through this.
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NO ONE IS SAYING THAT
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This is exactly what I was just saying in YouTube. Don’t even engage with those people who think that this tragedy absolves all the negative things they did. Yes it’s horrible, but both things still are and can be true.
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Another note because I’m seeing this comment multiple times.
Nobody has wished this on her family. On the other hand it’s been wished upon y’all
Nobody in here is saying They want them hurt. Stop confusing what she’s said for what I’ve said-
Ok? They can wish it upon us all the time. Who cares?
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She doesn't even know what half of these people look like are you dense? Who cares if she wished death on anonymous reddit users tf? She's an obnoxious person but don't act like people don't press her buttons hoping for a reaction because it's funny. That's the entire reason for these subreddits lol. So yeah it's shocking and sad. It's not weird to have empathy for someone who went through a traumatic violent event.
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I think the majority of us also recognize that we are dealing with stunted individuals who lack critical thinking skills and the wherewithal to know better. I mean, does anyone ever take her rants seriously? She has the emotional intelligence of a child. That’s the difference.
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While i do have empathy and sympathy for tophia given the situation..you're right. She is CONSTANTLY wishing foul shit on people, constantly telling people she hopes their families die. Let's not rewrite history and pretend she's a good person...we can do that and also recognize this is a fucked up situation that no one deserves
I feel most sympathy for Marie. I'm hoping the silver lining in this is that she can get the care she needs, and a case worker. Hopefully they can hook her up with housing.
The flip side of that is tophia is gonna use this for as long as she can to justify not getting a job or taking care of herself or any of her own needs. Hopefully I'm wrong and she can just leave all this internet shit behind her and start fresh and stop being a leech on society eventually
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And that’s a very fair take.
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That’s exactly how I feel as well. I feel the most sympathy for Marie. I, too, hope this will somehow maybe finally get her the help she desperately needs.
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How about opening your brain a little bit, yeah? No one one here is defending what she's done and said AT ALL. But something utterly disgusting and tragic had just transpired, and people are having sympathy for her trauma. She literally witnessed something NO ONE should ever go through. That doesn't change the fact that she isn't a good person, but come on. Have you ever heard of having sympathy? You should have some.
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Criticizing her does NOT mean that we are okay with her family being victims of a violent crime. Nothing about this is being “morally correct”, it is understand that there is a time and place. She is not above being criticized, but there is no reason to try to use this as a gotcha moment.
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So we can't call her bad behavior out AND feel bad that her brother was murdered? Weird logic.
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I don’t think anyone is here extolling her virtues and painting out her and her family as saints. We can simultaneously not like her and her family and feel empathy for a tragic situation. It’s called the human condition.
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eh i dont rly see many contradictions happening tbh! you can hate them, post about them, and still be horrified by this and feel empathy. thats part of being human. i have never seen anyone on here call for somth like this to happen and its not like this was some vigilante justice thing it was a carjacking gone wrong. a senseless act of violence
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THANK YOUUU!!!! I agree 1000000%. It sucks and maybe I'm ice cold but I really don't feel anything.
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There’s a difference between people speculating about their future since Tophia refused to work and what would become of Marie because of it. And then there is this violent accident, no one wished for Donald to die this way or Marie to see her son die and suffer a car crash
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These people are dumb asf! Two things can be true at once, YES, she has done and said horrible and disgusting things, but there is no denying that what happened is a HORRIBLE AND HORRIFYING tragedy. Nobody deserves to go through this and can only imagine what they've felt in the moment.
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Nobody but PEDOS
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Justice for these type of wrong doings is Tophia’s audience no longer trusting her and not sending money. Justice for what brotherchu did is jail time. Under no circumstances is death a proper penalty for their actions. Especially one like this. If predators get on death row- they aren’t shot. Tophia has done and said lots of terrible things. But seeing your family die in front of you is NOT justice.
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I mean someone was just killed by a firing squad in the US so....
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That man chose to be executed by firing squad over lethal injection or the electric chair. Donald Jr did not choose this.
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Never did I say or imply he deserved it. I was just stating that predators do get shot on Deathrow, albeit very rarely
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I don't like Tophiachu, she's a horrible person but that doesn't change the fact that she just went through something extremely traumatic, no one deserves to see their family members get shot.
i get people wanting to be respectful towards the whole situation but Brotherchu was straight up a pedo, i'm in shock that it happened, i really didn't expect it but i'm not really empathetic towards him dying (if he's the one who died, i'm assuming it was) i'm just empathetic towards Tophiachu having to witness all of that, no one deserves that.
I hope Tophiachu is going to be okay and i hope she gets the help she needs, i also hope that the person who is recovering (assuming it's Mamachu) is going to be well.
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It’s not a moral high ground it’s being a decent human being and having empathy for people. I’m reminded of how young some of you tik tok users are when yall say stuff like this.
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I’m 99% older than you
Pedos don’t deserve sympathy in my book
Maybe your book is different-
“I’m 99% older than you” said the clearly mature Redditor
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I’ve traveled met plenty of people with different opinions and views than I do 🤷♂️
Shit I’ve moved halfway across the world and I live comfortable.
I have a career and can do anything I want
I’m not a 16 year old kid I just live overseas and my chill time just happens to be when people are waking up and falling asleep in the states so I have time to go back and forth
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I mean… people on this sub also think her brother being outed is “LITERALLY THE MOST DISGUSTING ANYBODY CAN DO” and got mad at me for pointing out his actions, SA, and murder are far worse than that.
And look where we are now
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The fact that tophia blamed “people on the internet” for the fact she got robbed (when she literally lives in a high crime area, it was bound to happen) is insane, she literally lives in a fantasy world.
She also talks about hoping peoples family members would die a lot, it’s truly karma -
let’s not act like people weren’t flooding her comments with ‘rip papachu’ DAYS ago.
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People not I
Can’t tag what others do and say I did it-
???????? what are you even saying
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Ur saying that people were saying things about papachu which has nothing to do with me
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Yes, she is an awful person, but at the end of the day she is still human as are we all. She’s not a complete sociopath she’s extremely entitled narcissistic, etc. etc. but ultimately she’s a woman at the end of the day who just witnessed her brother and her elderly mother get shot and her home get stolen and damaged. I would not wish that on my worst enemy genuinely.
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I get the frustration here, but it’s a complicated situation. People have every right to feel conflicted. It’s one thing to criticize someone for their past actions, but when tragedy strikes, especially something as severe as a shooting and death, it forces people to confront the humanity of the situation. Yes, we’ve seen a lot of lies, manipulation, and bad decisions from Tophia and her family. But at the end of the day, a life was lost, and that’s not something anyone should take lightly, no matter the history.
It’s not about forgetting everything that happened before — it’s about recognizing that right now, this is a person going through something unimaginable. It’s not about excusing their past actions, but showing basic human empathy in the face of a tragedy. That doesn’t mean people have to give her a pass on everything or ignore her past behavior, but it’s possible to acknowledge the tragedy and still hold people accountable for their actions, both in the past and moving forward.
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i feel conflicted personally. donald jr is a p3do so my sympathy for him runs THIN. bc im a human being i do feel bad for the family, putting all the sh*t they did aside including tophia wishing death on other people’s families.
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Because when bad things happen to people, observers like to pretend they are morally superior even though there’s comments daily talking about how bad a person brotherchu was, how terrible Tophia is and how she’ll get karma, etc.
Now something horrific has actually happened and ppl have amnesia that they weren’t wishing ill things on her.
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People are too soft. I’m of the belief that the only good pedo is a dead pedo.
Like no one deserves to go through the loss of a family member, mamachu especially she’s the most sympathetic in all of this so I understand that, but I’m not going to flip on a pedo and be like “omg rip”
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The hope was always that Tophia would get off the internet and get a job so she can actually contribute to society and her family.
For brotherchu, me personally after seeing his creepy messages I hoped that he would be investigated for that.
The hope was never that they would get shot and have brotherchu brutally killed. It’s okay to not feel that bad for him because he was a piece of shit person but of course no one is going to sit here celebrate it.
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I really couldnt care less about this. Its karma. Talk about peoples family like that and they will come for yours. Hopefully this is a lesson for her.
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you would think this would be a wake up call but no. the first thing she did was go online to have a breakdown about it.
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What a stupid take
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this take was so ass it would actually be better to just delete the post ngl. Also i hate tophia just like everybody else but that doesnt mean i cant feel bad for a Person that just went through something this tragic and traumatizing.
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because unlike her some of us have some humanity in us to put ourselves in others shoes and can take a step back and show some empathy. this doesnt change anything shes said and done in the past but its also an extremely traumatic situation i would not have ever wished to happen to her no matter the stuff she says.
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I do understand your point.
But this sub is a place to archive tophias content and discuss her actions. No one should be messaging her or doxxing her or just engaging with her at all
Tophia hasn't helped herself either with her past behaviour of insulting her viewers family, absuing/not taking care of her pets correctly, disrespecting her own family by not putting their needs first and protecting them by logging off
However you do have to take into account that this situation is traumatic and she isn't gonna be going to therapy any time soon because she's been homeless these past months she got different priorities and alot of this stems from the fact that she wasn't given the proper care/guidance and resources to be able to sustain herself
And we can feel bad for her because of that yh she's a shitty person but this situation along with her life before this seemed stressful and its so much for 1 person to handle we are allowed to show sympathy and hope everything that can go well for her rn does go well
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calling out her terrible actions/choices doesnt mean we wish harm on her or any of her family members and if someone has done that i do not stand with them and they dont speak for me personally.
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Thats why I was asking but guess it got deleted if brotherchu might have argued with someone?? I mean they go back and forth with alot of people.
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I've maybe only here and there ,left a comment making fun of her. I've never joined in on the bullying her directly.
I've checked in this sub, occasionally.
I've felt sorry for this family due to their obvious mental slowness.
Tophia and her family has said and done some fucked up things that they shouldn't have and their slowness is not an excuse for it .
But no one should have this happened to them.
Some may' deserve' to go out, but it still shouldn't happen to them.You can laugh and joke about someone, talk shit but still not want them to die or their family.
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ppl can have empathy for other human beings but still not like them. just bc Tophia wishes death on ppls families doesn’t mean we have to do the same. I dislike her as much as the next person but I wouldn’t say I wanted what happened to her to happen. if you’re happy or think it’s karma about what is happening you’re morally about as bankrupt as Big T herself
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You guys are really sick. She lost her brother who she cares about and maybe her mom. NO ONE could have predicted that. That doesn’t mean people have forgotten how shit people they are. Both of these things can be true at the same time. Learn some humanity and empathy
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just because i do not like topic nor the things she does and has done doesn’t mean i want anything bad to happen to her.
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Nobody is saying that anyone wanted that this to happen to her. How is it I can write something not even hinting at that and half of yall somehow go
WHY WOULD YOU OR ANYONE WISH THAT.
Nobody wished it upon her but she wished it upon us and that’s why I’m saying I don’t feel bad-
I can definitely see where ur coming from but at the end of the day, while tophia needed a reality check, this shouldn’t have been it. she had her whole family taken from her in one night and while she is far from a good person, no one deserves this. we are free to criticize her words and actions and still wish her well at the end of the day because this is very traumatic for her.
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And I agree 100%
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It's actually bad to not care about the death of an alleged pedophile, dontcha know?
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I genuinely feel bad for mamachu though, she was put in a vulnerable and defenseless position. The theft rate in Albuquerque is high and living out of a car, it was seriously the most dangerous decision to stay in. Tophia has hit rock bottom and cannot depend on her brother anymore, she has to change for the better.
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I feel bad that a mother lost her son! Brotherchu was the only dude who was willing to work and do the most for them. It’s okay to feel atleast a few inches of sympathy for that, even though Brotherchu has been in controversial shit. Feelings like that are valid.
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Would you rather us say that she deserved it wtf is your dumbass on about
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Theyre worse than tophia. They think they have the moral high ground because they apparently work and tophia is just a low hanging fruit…
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There's a time and place for everything. Definitely not gonna celebrate or laugh about someone like her brother or mom dying. They are not great people but I don't think they deserved this. I think we should give her a grace period so that she can mourn, reflect, and recover from this incident. I will always remember all of the horrendous things she has said about others though (mocking dead family members, threatening to shoot people, threatening to put people in caskets, mocking people with cancer, mocking handicapped people, etc).
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that’s my thing bro. these mfs changed their tunes quick af. i personally do not feel bad. Tophia has been threatening to stick her brother on us for years. he’s even threatened to shoot people himself. but when it came down to it, where was the pipe, Tophia?
i thought you weren’t scared of anything, Tophia. why did you run like a bitch and leave your mom to die? you realize that’s acceptable behavior from a 10 year old right? bitch reality check, if your mama bout to get shot then that means YOURE about to get shot. if you don’t protect your damn mommy🙄
once again. i do not feel bad. this girl has been threatening to put people on shirts for years. she’s also told multiple people, “you better have life insurance”. well guess what, Tophia? you better hope Donald and ya mommy got some🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️ chickens come home to roost🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
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To me it's because I subscribe to the philosophy that no matter how awful a person is, and Tophia is pretty awful don't get me wrong, nobody deserves to go through such tragedy.
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You are sick in the head or a regarded child, if you feel no empathy for them, you might actually need psychiatric help, a young man who may have been a "bad" person was still trying to provide for his family, was still trying to defend the one piece of property they owned, if you don't feel bad for them you are unironically a greater risk to society than brotherchu ever was, RIP.
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I’m new here came from x and same with a lot of people after hearing the news trying to find more information. Not everyone is insane and unemployed and wishes death on lolcows.
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You may be the biggest piece of shit in the world but nobody, and I mean NOBODY deserves to watch their family tragically be ripped apart right before their eyes. I’m not going to discredit what they’ve done and said in the past, but right now in the present a life was tragically taken and a elderly mother is in the hospital and could, emphasis on could, be fighting for her life as well. It takes 0 effort to have even the slightest bit of compassion.
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Dude you shouldn't wish this on Tophia.
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Dude you need to read. Nowhere has anyone wished this on her
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I mean that people can feel bad for her. Virtually no one is going to become a die-hard supporter of Tophia, we know who she is and that she has her own baggage. But for the most part, people are just saying that this is a horrible situation to be in.
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Half the sub acting like bullying is okay
It isn’t black and white. No, we don’t like Tophia and she has done and said some terrible things, but I’m not going to stoop to the level of laughing at this situation and rubbing it in her face because that’s murder. You can not like someone and still feel a sort of humanity for them.