Genuine question
So I just gotta ask—how do people who been hating Tophia for months all of a sudden got compassion for her? Like Roachula, Papa Mike, Tanjirhoe spent all this time making fun of her, dragging her, clowning her every move, but now y’all sad? Now it’s “so heartbreaking”? Be fr. Was it only funny when it was just her struggling, but now that real-life tragedy hit, y’all wanna act brand new? I ain’t saying people can’t feel bad, but where was all this energy before? The way some of y’all switch up is crazy.
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Right.
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It’s not that. It’s the fact that you guys didn’t even see her as human until something tragic happened. Now everyone wants to have morals and especially the mods who created this space for us to be able to bully tophia. It’s not sincere and I saw some posts on here today which seem like you’re already back to hating on her. It’s the fact that things have to go so far for you to see someone as human
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I mean she was the one saying peoples mom’s were dead and shit. People could start in on her now by saying that to her but who would want blood on their hands if she decides to take her life? She’s a shit person but I never thought man I hope her mom dies so she can see what it feels like to have a dead mom, u know? She’s like that but I’ve never seen anyone wish death to her family or even her. But maybe that’s just me. I don’t like her cuz she’s a racist nasty person but I’m not gonna sit here and think yea she deserved what happened to her. U can still have compassion for some people
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If we didn’t see her as a human we wouldn’t have encouraged her to get a job, help her family, and get off the internet.
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because this was out of her control? call it a switch up or whatever but you can’t really tell people to not have empathy over a real life situation that could happen to anyone in this sub.
you can have empathy for a shitty human being for the things they suffered while also condemning them for their behaviour, that’s a really easy concept to grasp cmon now
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She's not even that horrible.
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Did you get here like 1 hour ago?
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No. But I like to lurk to see how people can find ways to justify being horrible themselves. I stand by what I said. She's certainly flawed but don't act like y'all would care nearly as much if she was a conventionally attractive white woman.
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Yeah, you just got here.
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She's clearly not white. And of course it isn't just about race, because it's also about attractiveness. People who don't live up to certain standards of beauty are given less than preferential treatment than their more attractive peers. There have been studies on this. You're far more likely to be treated like shit if you are not considered attractive. That's a fact. And it certainly plays a significant part in people's perception of tophia's character. So what I'm saying here, is she gets way less leniency for her behavior because of her appearance.
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Ash Trevino isn’t even that ugly and people shame her for dating younger boys.
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I've been following this for a while. I just haven't said anything. How much of a shit person do you yourself have to be to find ways to justify bullying and harassing someone? You like to pretend to be morally superior so you can feel better about your own shortcomings. That's why these subs exist.
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If you’ve been following the sub, then you definitely know who Ash is so i dunno why you blatantly lied like that
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White women’s plight and tears have never moved me.
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I’ve laughed at her antics, called out her mess, and criticized the choices she’s made, but that’s not the same as wanting something like this to happen. There’s a huge difference between talking about someone’s behavior online and actually wanting to see them or their family get hurt. So no, I don’t think it’s hypocritical to feel bad about this situation. It’s called having basic human decency. You don’t have to like someone to recognize that what happened to them is tragic. And just because I’ve criticized her in the past doesn’t mean I’m suddenly not allowed to acknowledge when things have gone way too far.
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Girl do you have a life apart from hating on lolcows.All your posts and comments are about tophiachu and Ashley Trevino
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Do you have a life apart from policing what other people post? Because if my comments bother you that much, you clearly keep up with them just as much as I keep up with Tophia and Ashley. The irony is crazy. People talk about public figures who put their business online that’s literally how the internet works. If you don’t like it, scroll. I talked about Ash ONE TIME😂😂😂
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Ok but you talked about her and told her to get a job and that living in the motel and car wasn’t ok like why bother her there was nothing wrong with them being in the car
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This is why I don’t like this community because a lot of y’all are very dense and dumb and are very OK with displaying that publicly.
There was nothing wrong with her living out of the car??? Where have you been for the past 24 hours? Did you not hear about what happened? You’re delusional if you don’t think that her buckling down and getting a job to help with the apartment or motel rent could’ve helped avoid this entire situation. Him getting shot was very unnecessary. It benefited no one. I’m not trying to victim blame her, but I’m not gonna sit up here and be absent minded to facts.
And if we’re gonna be honest, that’s how the situation that happened, happened. People enabling bad behavior. Y’all love to get on the people who have accounts talking about all y’all keep up with the shit show, but y’all do too because if y’all really cared about that girl, y’all would have been telling her that she needs to get a job and get up out of these motels and cars.
And if we really want to clock tea, a lot of you who are trying to “criticize“ people who have accounts were in my comments and everybody else’s comments, laughing, and carrying on even in sub so please spare me.
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Just because we have basic human decency and feel emphatic towards her situation doesn't absolve her from the criticism.
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“There was nothing wrong with them living in the car” 😂😂😂
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Maybe because she needs a job to have a place to stay in. It’s for the better not because we don’t like her. Living in a car is draining and unsafe.
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> there was nothing wrong with them being in the car
Wait, what?
You STILL think there was nothing wrong with them being in the car?
Seriously?
It is not Tophia’s fault that she was attacked, but people have been saying for months that their situation put them in danger.
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im sorry are u crazy genuinely we all knew living out the car was going to be dangerous for them and now something horrible has happened.
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Because that what she need to do in order for this not to happen we all wanted her to get off and be like any normal human being who works a 9-5. She wouldn’t be in this situation and you’re just as nosy and rude when talking about them. TALK ABOUT HYPOCRISY
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because why would they make fun of her after this situation are you fucking stupid
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right like i don’t understand what’s so hard to comprehend😭she literally watched her brother die?? why would ppl still be making fun of her rn these ppl are so sick
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No guilt for pedos, sorry
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Why would you make fun of her in the first place? You a bad human I hope you feel bad you caused this
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No one caused this but the shooter, get off the horse.
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While it's true that only the shooter caused this, that user is right about how no one should have been making fun of her in the first place.
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She was mocked for things entirely of her own doing and within her own control; for being racist, for being entitled, for trashing the motel, for doxxing people, for being creepy about teens, etc. None of that is relevant to what happened, none of that lead to what happened in any way. And while it's true that now isn't the time to focus on these things or to kick her while she's down, it doesn't retroactively mean that a person should never have been held accountable or lambasted for the things they knowingly and actively did wrong at the time. It's wrong to sit now in hindsight and say "you all should have let this person get a free pass all this time for being horrible for years". We can be compassionate in trying times but that doesn't mean it was wrong to be firm in less trying times.
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It's totally fine to hold people accountable. What you aren't understanding is this went way beyond holding her accountable. Half the posts in this sub are poking fun at her appearance, something she can't help. Holding someone accountable is fine. Harassment and bullying is not. Especially at this level. I don't care how you choose to justify it. You were supposed to learn by like age 7 that that isn't okay under any circumstances.
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Why are you in this subreddit in the first place 😭
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they caused a random act of violence, sure 👍
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yea we totally caused a random maniac to come and attack them while they were sleeping you sound slow!
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I mean… according to her y’all caused her to be homeless which in turn had em sleeping on street where this took place so…
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The way some of y’all are incapable of understanding “I don’t like her I think she’s a shitty person but she really didn’t deserve to watch her brother get his brains blown out”. That’s literally the gist of it but y’all still around here like “I don’t get it why are y’all being fake 😦”
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god some of yall mf are so dumb like actually go out in the real world and experience life for once instead of being goofy ass embarrassments on the internet
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Say this to Tophia 😭
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Why don’t you?
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We have
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Constantly.
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Please don't say "go out in the real world" it's very offensive to people who can't go outside
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lmaaaaooooo
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How ableist
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Actual trolls were making memes of Brotherchu “unalived” and saying that this was karma and that they deserved it to happen to them. Whereas others who follow Tophia (Roachula, Papa Mike, Tanjirhoe, and many others) took the tragic incident seriously and pushed aside the clowning and jokes because, at the end of the day, she is a human and she didn’t deserve this. And again, ‼️we can acknowledge that she is generally not a good person and has done some bad things, while also hiding empathy and compassion for the situation‼️
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I said this and everyone was like, "no, we aren't switching up, we just have compassion" like okay buddy
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We literally do, idk what’s not clicking with yall.
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Most people criticize Tophia precisely BECAUSE her behavior and bad decisions put her in danger.
Living on the street is the obvious consequence of refusing to work, refusing to clean yourself, and squandering your money on nonsense. And being shot by criminals is an obvious risk that comes with being homeless in a high-crime city. People say she is stupid BECAUSE she chose not to take obvious steps to remove herself from a dangerous situation .
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Yeah I know, but that doesn’t mean any one is “switching up” on her, I certainly am not. I just thought it was in bad taste seeing people try to police other people’s reactions on them feeling sympathy about the situation
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Because two things can be true at once.
It can be true that Tophia was wishing death on others, challenging them to pull up, joking about other people’s dead family members, being delusional and refusing to get a job even while homeless while her elderly mother suffers from illness, looking up teenage p*rn, etc etc.It can also be true that watching your brother be shot to death in front of you isn’t an experience she deserved and she does deserve empathy for that EVEN IF she could have made better choices which would have prevented her from being homeless, she still experiences a level of trauma most of us will never understand.
All of the bad things she has done don’t mean she deserved to watch her family member be murdered.
What happens after this is what will really tell the story. Does she continue to behave in a helpless way and put herself back on the streets? Or does she accept help and resources which are now going to be offered to her, get herself a full time job, and save money responsibly.
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I don't feel sympathy for the things she's done. She is an asshole, she refuses to get a job, wastes all of her money on useless junk and claims that social media can be her full time job even though she barely makes enough money for her to even stay alive. She is mean to just about everyone and thinks of herself as above all of us. An asshole? For sure. I don't like her for that. It's funny to watch her be delusional in her struggles because she simply refuses to acknowledge them in any meaningful way.
But, she's not evil. No one, NO ONE deserves to watch their family members be killed in a random attack. I feel sympathy for anyone who has to go through this because it's just not right to kill someone over a disagreement like this. It's never justified. I still think she and her family are pieces of shit. I still think that she is delusional and that she needs to just get a job and move on. But this should never happen to anyone, ever.
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This is a shit take. You can talk shit but not want someone violently killed. It’s not that hard to understand.
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dont worry, once she comes back she'll remind everyone of what she truly is and everyone will lose all the sympathy. you really think she's going to change overnight? lol
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op, you’re not the smartest
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It's called maturity. There are plenty of people in my life I’m not a fan of but would I feel bad if something bad happened to them/their family? Of course! Why wouldn't I? The collective human experience surrounding death is something that affects us all. Life isn't black and white. It's not "I hate you so I’m going to never feel bad for you," or "I love you so I’m going to cry when you cry." Life is nuanced.
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Coming from someone who lost a brother tragically in Albuquerque also! I understand how heartbreaking it is for her, and the trauma of witnessing it must feel unimaginable. I don’t like Tophia at all, but I hope this is a wake-up call for her to get on her feet and be an adult.
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I don't think it's switching up. you can drag someone for being a crappy person while still being sympathetic about their situation.
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i don’t get these posts tbh it’s not that hard to understand that in front of a tragedy such as this one, people will be respectful.
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damn I guess I’m the bad guy for feeling sorry for someone who watched their family get gunned down and murdered - something they had NO CONTROL over.
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Idk if you know this but we human beings have brains that are able to *compartmentalise* , we can call her out for her struggle because it’s 100% self-inflicted. But last night? No. Last night was different. It wasn’t something that was preventable. It was genuinely tragic. Seeing someone lose their support system when they already have so little , that will always justify compassion. We’re not ‘switching up’ we just know the difference between genuine tragedy and the consequences of one’s actions. And we can act accordingly.
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Because it’s one thing to hold someone accountable for fetishes and slurs and a completely different thing to what their family members deceased. No one wanted that we all just wanted accountability for her wrongs. Two things can be true
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Because despite all the bad things she did (and yes, she did and say really bad things and what happened doesnt erase it) she did not deserve something like that, no one ever does, and it is really sad
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Fugazi ass Moral compass proly.
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Imagine if we mocked someone for being killed, or trolling during a tragic situation like this.
I guarantee it'll come back to us, because do evil and evil will show up.
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I think you’re forgetting who these people are. They deserved a lot, but not this. We’re allowed to have compassion and empathy for tophia and her family during this time despite what any of us have said about her before yesterday. You’re typing this as a member of her snark reddit page, that’s crazy.
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Tf u want us to do? Laugh at this situation? Hate on her? No ones switching up we’re just decent people and acknowledge this is a horrible situation, jeez. Some of yall in this subreddit lack critical thinking skills
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people switch up all the time it's annoying, the situation is terrible no one deserves to be put in that situation my heart goes out to all of them, but let's not forget Tophia is a terrible person. I'm pretty sure this is the first time Mamachu has had any medical care in months maybe years, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Because u can talk about and make fun of people for their actions and also recognize that they don’t deserve a tragedy. Why is it hard to understand two things can be true at once? Just because I don’t like someone and think they are problematic does not mean I wish physical harm upon them or their family.
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I’m sorry but what do you expect from everyone? To party it up on the street? To make fun of Tophia the way she made fun of people’s dead relatives? Do you not want people to show decency? “But ya’ll did this and did that.” What do you want from anyone? Turn back time and stop the what ifs? Come on!
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I’m sorry, but would you rather everyone celebrate and harass her? People are not one dimensional. Most normal people would never wish this on anybody despite how we feel about her character. I honestly did not think her life could stoop even lower. This is shocking and traumatizing. I’m sure many of us (hopefully) can put our biases aside to offer compassion when she truly needs it the most now
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It comes down to being able to empathize with a person because regardless of her behavior, this is a tragic, horrific thing to happen where she has no one to even really turn to or have the emotional maturity to probably even process it all. I swear to god that the internet has made people so divorced from being able to comprehend complex situations where you can dislike a person but also feel terrible for their loss. This black and white thinking needs to stop. Situations like this are nuanced and clearly a lot of people need therapy if they are so incapable of understanding how two things can be true at the same time.
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I get what you’re saying and we will be right back at it once she starts streaming again.
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Lil reminder that everything comes back to you: https://www.reddit.com/r/tophiachutiktok/s/vUZssadOum
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It’s actually normal and good to have nuanced opinions about people and change your behavior when a tragedy occurs. Hope that helps.
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I don’t like her then or now but I have empathy for her situation because she’s still a human being
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do u not understand how empathy works? sure we all dislike her (and for good reason) she didn’t deserve to witness her family be violently attacked. literally no one deserves that
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Why do y’all say this like it’s a gatcha moment to people. It’s okay to not like people, it’s okay to call them out on fucked up things they did, numerous of times. Because unfortunately when you put your life out there, people, trolls and etc will say something. But most people who can differentiate time and place and aren’t evil can see this is not a time of hard criticism. She’s not gonna be on much since of this, and I really hope not. She deserves a LOT of help right now. Mentally and physically, I hope nothing but the best coming to her right now. Seeing a family member she’s know all her life, her brother, shot in front of her is something NO ONE deserves to witness ever.
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because this is a completely different situation?
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Being hoisted by one's own petard and enduring an actual tragedy are so far apart from each other that you can't in good faith be trying to compare the two.
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i don’t like her but i wouldn’t wish what happened to her on my worst enemy. her whole world was flipped upside down in a matter of minutes. you can not like the things she’s done and said in the past and still feel empathetic towards this situation.
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empathy and compassion can coexist with hatred.
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I didn’t switch up not for one second. Only one who gets a slither of sympathy or empathy from me is her mom. It seems like she’s been a victim of circumstance her entire life and that sucks.
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It's okay to have empathy for her, but that doesn't erase all the crazy stuff she was saying and threatening recently and in general, people need to stand on their shit, not flip flop
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Yall need to understand two things can be right. She does need to get a job, it was terrible they had to live in the car BECAUSE she didn’t want to get a job. Now her brother is gone because of a completely unrelated situation. That in fact is terrible. They were attacked because they just so happened to be in the car in that area. We can feel bad about that. Just because you give criticism to someone does not mean you wish them the worst and want someone to be gone. That’s what it means to have morals and be empathetic.
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I'm honestly confused why this is even a question and concerned why you can't understand why people have sympathies for someone whos' family was murdered in front of them. She's a shitty person but no one deserves to go through something like this.
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Hate is a strong word. Glad I never felt that way
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You can dislike someone and still feel empathy for them.
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Genuine answer: if you don’t understand that people can have empathy for someone then you’re defective. It’s a personality trait called splitting- one extreme or the other, and it’s most commonly seen in folks with personality disorders and sociopaths. Good luck, psycho
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The mass hypocrisy that has taken place in this sub and now that she’s back talking about money people are flipping right back to being the way they were to her before this happened. It’s absolutely insane. Mind boggling even. Interesting to witness
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Mad copium in these comments lmao
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I asked chatgpt why it seems like some people have switched up
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Fr, i think anyone can agree that what happened is horrible and it should not have ended this way or no one could have predicted the outcome, but come on dude, this a snark sub and we made fun of her in a daily basis, made funny drawings of her, meme'd her ass, where was that empathy before? you are no better trying to come holier than thou while in a snark sub, if you donated to brotherchu's funeral there's no problem but don't try to come at people telling them they are horrible when they rather not be hypocrites.
I mean I think her family being randomly and violently attacked and murdered by a total stranger in the middle of the night is not something that most people deserve to have happen to them?